You can buy better, but you can’t pay more! The motherboard is garbage on this brand new $4000 computer. The screen goes green after freezing every day. It over heats and all around sucks as a high end computer. This isn’t the bad part though. CUSTOMER SERVICE IS TOTAL HORSE CRAP, HANDS DOWN THE WORST EXPERIENCE IN MY LIFE of 32 YEARS. I’ve ad to call them 30 some times to get this issue to the next level and I still haven’t received a refund.
Hasn’t worked correctly yet
I’ve had Dells for years. You close the lid when you’re done, open it later and it works instantly.
With the Lenovo ThinkPad, open the lid and it immediately falls off the network. Then it must be rebooted, and every app restarted.
EVERY. GOD. DAMNED. TIME.
Customer service has given me several fixes. Zero have worked.
Piece of shit. Avoid like the plague.
CLEANING UP – I’m gonna clean YOU up
Ideapad 320.
I.HATE.LENOVO. I will NEVER again buy one. EVERY frickin’ time I turn the thing on, or wake it up, or look at it funny, it reboots. I’m now 30 minutes away from a Zoom meeting and still at 0% “Cleaning Up – Don’t Turn Off Your Computer”. Bullcrap. I do not have time for this bullcrap EVERY time. Even when it doesn’t “Clean Up”, it takes FOREVER to be ready to use.
I just had to come here to vent. I feel better now.
POS Company
NEVER BUY LENOVO
What a POS. I bought this heap of shit 6 months ago. In the 3rd month, the internal camera failed. They keyboard is fucked. Had to replace the HD and now have to hopefully just do a system restore as the fucking thing freezes up all the time and I had to force a shutdown and it now only lets me log in with a temp profile.
I work online and am a gamer and am pretty good with PCs. This is far from fucking normal. I have never owned such a heap of shit and I am 56 years old.
Lenovo Hinge issue
Lenovo Ideapad 5 Hinge broke within 48 hours of opening a sealed box. I have had 3 Lenovo laptops all had Hinge issues after about 5 years. But in less than 2 days, is ridiculous. And the CSR I spoke with could have cared less. Fortunately I can return for refund and never buy Lenovo again.
Hardware incompatibility – a not IBM PC Compatible product
I actually have hardware incompatibility issue with several LENOVO models (4 ThinkBooks different models). Where the same hardware works on HP, Acer, and Dell laptops without any issues.
Hardware in question is the LC-HUB-C-MULTI-3 USB hub
https://www.lc-power.com/en/product/accessories/usb-hubs/lc-hub-c-multi-3/
Also random freezes on at least two Lenovo ThinkBook models (lost hard work) – these two machines do the most work, so I make educated guess that some overheat issue is in question. So I stick label of “Bad Design of Heat Sink” to Lenovo.
I never had such (*suck) experience in my life with laptop. Had Acer, Toshiba, and HP (previous one), all worked flawlessly with any hardware.
Leading me to only conclusion that Lenovo is only for kiddies (A TOY) and not for professionals.
If you respect yourself and want tool that works, just go buy literally anything else and not Lenovo garbage.
Pigs with lipstick
Lenovo Miix (stupid name) 700: How can a company that’s technically the successor of IBM tear down that mighty name even further? Right, by designing stuff that’s broken and then proceeding to sell that stuff despite knowing it’s unreliable and defective crap.
That lame knockoff of a Surface convertible had problems right from the purchase. Upon research they all turned out to be experienced by other users, some obviously by all. For example trouble with the trackpad that was never solved, every few days it simply stops working in the middle of work and I need to reboot that computer to get it back. It has a fan that turned noisy within a week and effing annoying after a month, after a year the bearings were audibly worn out. The display has a serious burn-in issue and the detachable keyboard has spring loaded contacts that get exhausted after a few times detaching the keyboard. The only quality part on this computer is the aluminum shell.
Every now and then it goes into some kind of deep hibernate mode where the screen goes dark, you hear the fans roaring but the only way to get the screen back on is power-cycling it. Every now and then it swaps the function of the F-keys as if Fn was permanently depressed and quite often it needs a reboot because the trackpad ends up in a state where tapping it stops working and it marks everything the pointer is pointing at on hovering over it.
I would’ve expected this level of sophistication in being annoying from the cheap Chinese “Trekstore” knock-off for 1/3 of the price that was sitting right next to the Lenovo in the shop where I bought it. Instead, the cheap knockoff turned out to be a much better value than this 700€ disappointment from Lenovo.
After experiencing a total disaster with a laptop from Dell, Lenovo is the second name I have mentally marked for deletion and I’m not sure not buying any of their crap products anymore will help – apparently they all have learned that they get away with flooding the world with expensive, non-sustainable crap that lasts from 11am to noon – every day a new fool gets out of bed and is happy to be shortchanged by these companies.
Never buy a Lenvovo
I should have known better – We were operating Lenovo’s at my employer large corporate and were they terrible laptops – the Lenovo stinkpad we called it….
For a personal laptop – I bought a Lenovo ideapad Z50-75 running AMD late 2017 from memory. From day 1 the laptop was fairly rubbish. I had been attracted by a positive reviews on PC websites plus was keen to try a laptop with a solid state drive. Anyway from day 1, is was fairly crap. The keyboard was clunky, some letters got stuck and weren’t very responsive and boy was the laptop slow. Even now only 30% off storage is used and just to open the browser can take 60 seconds….
And to make it worse I try run the Lenovo system diagnostics to optimize performance and the Vantage program now has cost. If you don’t subscribe you can’t optimize ad fix errors?? WTF – hasn’t this always been a default free program the manufacturer has installed?
Anyway in summary, keyboard is still crap – it has taken twice as long as it should to type this and I will never buy Lenovo again.
Wonderful Little Machines that causes grey hairs
At Christmas 2018 I purchased myself a new laptop. The one I intended to purchase was out of stock, but I was given a ‘higher spec’ laptop for the same price (about $1200 AUD). That’s how I came to buy this little beauty, the Idea Pad 520-15ikb. Little did I know this bad boy would be the bane of my existence.
As COVID reared it’s cheeky little face, I worked remotely. With working remotely I got to practice zen and develop patience (especially regarding my craptop). Sometimes I would have deep philosophical with myself, chiefly debating why my computer took so long to do so little, especially when every non-essential program had been switched off. What I cherished more than anything was the noise the hard drive makes, even when my computer was completely idle. I would think “what are you thinking about big guy, you’re doing nothing’. I did some googling, and unbeknownst to me, Lenovo is a Chinese brand, and I always wondered whether the noice my computer was making was because of some malware, with the Chinese government tuning into my YouTube time.
Christmas 2021, I decided to spoil myself and buy myself the Acer Nitro 5, which cost me $1500 (heavily discounted). Needless to see this new computer makes this Lenovo feel like a car from the early 20th century. But, I have not parted ways with this wonderful computer. I’ve now handed it down to my wife who gets to ask me questions about why this computer is so slow. It’s always nice to share the pain to someone else.
Anyone wishing to buy a laptop like this, like Lenovo, I’d highly recommend spending the money on anything else, even if it has no intrinsic value.
The pros for this wonderful little machine is that the casing is made out of metal. The cons are everything else.
THIS FN LAPTOP IS JUNK!
THIS FN LAPTOP IS JUNK! I bought a Lenovo laptop and it’s been nothing but problems. It flat does not work. I spend more time restarting and waiting for it to stop spinning then I do getting my job done. I want to throw it into Lake Erie. I am so frustrated with it. It’s brand new. It’s a brand new piece of trash. I was not surprised at all to find this forum after googling My Lenovo Sucks. F! F! F! This computer. It’s going in the lake.
Don’t buy this computer!
I have been buying PCs since 1989 and I’ve never had so many problems with a PC as with the first and definitely last Lenovo I ever bought. The first thing that happened immediately was the computer kept causing my Wifi router to drop all connections every 5-10 minutes. I tried everything and finally in desperation I had to remove the Wifi card from the Lenovo motherboard and replace it with a Wifi dongle and a Bluetooth dongle. This took up 2 USB ports making it difficult to attach all my devices to the computer. Now, after less than a year, the computer won’t shut down I have to pull the power cable to make it shut off, AND it won’t start without the BIOS complaining about a fan not operating when it clearly IS operating. What a total piece of garbage. I swear NEVER Lenovo AGAIN!!!!
Run Away From Lenovo
I have a Lenovo Ideacentre 3. It’s 15 months old and has been repaired 7 times for the same issue. Keeps losing the OS and frying the hard drive. They refuse to replace the entire machine nor refund my money.
NEVER WILL BUY AGAIN
information thieves
Constant updates and reboots. WE know you are stealing information from us when we reboot your junk computer. Why not even try to make it look like you care about your customers? Why not some semblance of professionalism?
Lenovo X1 carbon Review
I bought a Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 8 with a Guarantee of 3 years against damage.
After less than 2 years, the battery stopped working.
Of course – its the exact part NOT included in the Gauarntee.
the USB port didn’t work
the mouse pad didn’t work
Ethernet not working good
White screens. Black screens
I sent it to the fix – and waited for 5 weeks.
I had to pay 170 Euros for a new battery
it came back still damaged. The mouse pad is not fixed… just replcaed.
Worst purchase ever – I spent 1700 Euros on a laptop
Highly recommend to avoid this company
Lenovo really does suck
I am shocked how bad Lenovo is. My Yoga laptop 9 months old. THEIR hinge broke which in turn cracked the entire corner of the glass and they say it’s not covered because it’s customer accidental breakage! So it’s my fault that your hinge failed? Now I have to pay the Geek Squad to fix Lenovo’s crap. Not to mention the damn battery runs down on this laptop alarmingly fast – it’s 9 months old! Never again Lenovo, never again.
makes a good paper weight
don’t even consider this company or their products
Lenovo IdeaPad 320
Straight out of the box it is absolutely the slowest PC I’ve ever seen…and I’m including way back to the early 90’s. Even with high speed internet it’s slower than dial-up! Doing anything on this machine is pure torture.
I lost 50k due to Lenovo being a pain
So I bought a new lenovo laptop in May, and by the end of July I was trying to get it repaired. I had well over 7 to 9 visits by repair techs, as well as have sent it to multiple repair depots. My negative reviews have been deleted, and I have been ghosted by my case manager, who I haven’t heard from since October. I have been trying my best to find out what happened to my laptop, hell I even said to just replace it in which I was told I didn’t qualify until I sent it to a depot first, in which was already done. I even sent a request for a upgrade for negative impacts to my personal and financial status and they said that I didn’t qualify until I sent it to the depot. I told them before I sent my laptop out that I would need it back as soon as possible as it was my laptop I used for college classes and I didn’t have the money to buy another. I was a wildland firefighter in cali and saved up a good amount of money in the 3 years of working, most of which I put into a savings account for my kid to give them a boost when moving out, and the rest I paid debt, bills, and payed for a 50k usd course that I was looking into for work. It was a extra 2 years, and I had the funds so I paid for it. I ended up getting kicked out of the program due to the fact that I was late on a few months worth of work. This was due to my laptop being god knows where sitting collecting dust or something. That was the last straw, I ended up cussing my case manager out demanding a upgrade as was well within my right as this crap wasn’t worth 50k worth of losses. I haven’t received any updates on this and this happened last week.
Crappy products
Bought two laptops, both Gray quality as in returned and refurbished. The site sells mostly Lenovo laptops here in Australia and now I know why. Many people must be returning them that’s the reason so many are for sale as refurbished. I got a great deal so can’t complain but both my lenovo laptops turned out to be junk. One has battery issues and other has wifi issues. Seems pretty common as the forums are flooded with these issues on the same models. S730 and s530 respectively.
LENOVO NEVER EVER AGAIN
Lenovo laptop with i5 processor and all the goodies is SO FUCKIN SLOW!!! I sent it to LENOVO for repair and came back. It’s the SAME SHIT. I want to return and my money back but LENOVO will not refund. FUCK LENOVO
NEVER BUY ANYTHING LENOVO
$1,900 and camera has never worked! Hours and hours with Lenovo, MS and myself – no one with company or otherwise can get it to work! Ever other device I use immediately has a WORKING camera – every last one: phone, tablet, PC etc. etc.
Really unbelievable. Just WOW!
Lenovo is gay
My school gave us Lenovo chromebooks to use for the schoolyear. I would say that 90% percent of the chromebooks broke for no reason. lenovo is frickin trash.
Lenovo Ideapads are junk
Lenovo Ideapad 330-15ikb. Bought on 1st November 2018.
Within 2 years display, front cover hinge damaged. The left side hinge broke and bent and damaged the display. I had to change the front cover and the display for 100$. Backcover screw holes were worn out within 1 yr. I’ll never buy a backcover or a display again. Next time it’s going to the trash can.
Dvd drive died a few months ago. It stopped writing before that. It could only read. On August 2021 it’s dead.
It’s the 3rd year and touchpad, usb ports, ac power cable, fan and every fu***** bios update are malfunctioning. Fan stops every now & then and I have to unplug and plug it over and over. AC cable doesn’t charge unless it’s bent in a certain angle. Right click of touchpad malfunctions. Both usb ports are having loose connection and only one is usable for a long time.
Since last year an unique problem is happening once in a while. Any media won’t play steadily because next and previous options get switched automatically. Suppose I open a video with a media player. It won’t play for 5 seconds because the next and previous options are automatically activating, and the video is starting over and over or the next or previous videos of a list are switching. And also the laptop don’t stay in sleep mode. Withing 1 minute of putting to sleep it auto wakes up. Happened with last 2 BIOS updates. Will definitely relapse in the future.
Why didn’t I go with an hp or dell in 2018? Never buying from this brand again.
Don’t Do it Just don’t do it
I’ll sign off on this. Computer hasn’t worked since day one. Different glitch every time. Sometimes you can take screenshots sometimes you can’t. Sometimes you know where the file is gonna save, sometimes you don’t. Tried to run music software on it since it’s fast and has a lot of memory, but took 3 days to set up and get working right. It took a similar ACER machine 10 minutes.
Whatever 300 bucks you save buying this will not be worth the months of sheer frustration trying to get the thing to work properly. These guys are behind the curve in so many aspects.
Acer. Surface. Apple. Anything but, do yourself a favor.
It’s 2021 And Lenovo Still Sucks
So my Lenovo IdeaPad of 3 years use gave up on me two days ago and I thought I’d warn anyone who visits this blog. Lenovo sucks. Lenovo sucked in 2019 and it still sucks in 2021.
The laptop is heavy, bulky, not something you’d take along for travel. Its battery lasted 3h tops when new and after 3 years had less than 1h when fully charged. Despite having 8GB RAM and a quad AND processor it would stutter and freeze if more than 1 app was open. Never had a laptop with such a long bootup delay, 2-3+ min.
The display colors were all off. I’m a digital artist. Do the math and you’ll see why I’m angry.
The cooler engine gave up 1 year in. It made horrible noises like a hornets’ nest. The panel gets hot even with the fan running.
The touchpad driver crashed around year 2, forced me to buy a mouse.
The laptop is physically still functional but the video drivers died after a recent update so the monitor won’t light up. I’m gonna try to pawn this devil’s aggregate for parts, not sure if it’s worth anything.
Bottom line: Lenovo is overpriced, overrated, underpowered junk. Buy an Acer, Asus, or just build your own PC from scratch.
LeNOvo lot of rubbish
I bought two Lenova Laptops in 2019, a Core i3 and a Celeron. Both as slow as a snail climbing a mountain.
The Core i3 decided to lock me out of the Bios, then started giving blue screens of death and finally died, one month out of warranty.
Now I have an ASUS. Much better quality and much faster.
Lenovo SUCKS
I bought a Thinkpad laptop end of July,2021. Then I found that it has poor resolution and black out right afer one month later. USD 1000 is spent for a piece of shit.
HATE IT
I HATE MY LENOVO.
It takes sooooooo long to start up. I have no fricking idea what the hell it’s doing. I rarely use the computer so it’s not like I have a lot of software that starts in the background. RIDICULOUS. I cannot wait to get something different!!!! Oh by the way, my mother has a Lenovo and she has the exact same problem.
Don’t buy ANYTHING LeNOvo
Lenovo has terminated some of their program, one of which I used often called Lenovo Nerve Center (Sense). I recently updated my Legion Y720 to Windows 11 IE and the Nerve Center no longer works. I emailed them and they were detached and didn’t care about my issue. They said the Nerve Center was no longer supported and refused to answer my questions but just share canned responses and links. They even refused to tell me of a workaround that I might do to access the fan speed and keyboard RGB lighting which can ONLY be accessed through the Nerve Center. So now I have features I can no longer access and Lenovo can’t be bothered about it and they don’t care. This is the LAST LeNOvo product I will ever buy. LeNOvo SUCKS!
Lenovo is bottom grade Walmart junk
Lenovo Idea Pad 320 = Trash
Never again, have start it and shit down 3 times before it works. Severely disappointed
Mistake to buy this computer
My brand new Lenovo yoga will not connect to Internet. If it does it loses it after about 3 minutes. So frustrating. I have tried everything. I know it isn’t my internet connection.
Done with Lenovo forever
So I’ve made the mistake of buying a few of Lenovos laptops including one low range 17″ and two different gen gaming y520s and I hate to say it but that’s how long it took me to understand how absolutely shit they were, both of the y520 lacked any sort of driver/bios support, the other one of them for example had the CPU throttle curve made so terribly that the instant it became a little hot it dropped the clocks to 1.5Ghz effectively ruining the gaming experience.. there were no updates or anything from Lenovo despite many people having the same issue, someone had managed to make a really hacky way of fixing it.. BUT YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO WRITE YOUR OWN THROTTLE CURVES INTO BIOS FOR A 1000€ LAPTOP.
The other two were just cheap plastic, bloatware and disappointing performance with boat loads of heat, I’ve since gotten smarter and changed to an Asus, trust me, I have never been happier. No longer is my lap on fire but I also get performance that i want withouth modding the god damn laptop.
LENOVO WORST COMPUTER I ever posessed
Very slow from the beginning. Dropping out while writing.Now after 1 year only and very little use the battery is no longer charging
Lazy hacks at customer communication.
A) website lets you find products that you can’t add to the cart, because maybe it’s out of stock, but it doesn’t bother telling you that anywhere.
B) A popup window asked me if I wanted to leave feedback on their site. Heck, yeah! But despite the instructions, when I closed the tab I was visiting Lenovo in, nothing happened. The little popup is still there doing nothing.
C) you call them and get put on hold, and every 15 seconds they interrupt very jumpy music to tell you you’re still on hold. After 20 minutes, I think I’ve got it down that I’m on hold.
Lenovo Sucks!
One of the worst tech decisions I ever made. I bought a Lenovo computer a few months ago and it blue screened today. Service is useless and their warranty is also. Never buying another China product.
I gotscrewedpad
Starts up and takes forever, wants to download every time I turn it on this take forever when it’s finished it tells me it can’t upload the new software so now it takes it off this take forever. I just turned it on and I have been waiting for half an hour now looking at a mountain view listening to the dam thing trying to give me something anything would be great. My flip phone works better than this piece of shit. Text them told them to go back to the drawing board then erase it because it’s not going to do much of anything so I’m sitting here with a 600 dollar piece of shit saying to myself what the fuck did I do to them that they fucked me this bad. Should of greased my ass first before I walked into this place.
Don’t buy lenovo
I have an ideapad 3 and what a piece of crap!
To add insult to injury, Lenovo wants $5 to answer any help questions.
Never, nevere again.
I hate this laptop
Lenovo sucks so bad
I have their idéapad laptop and it has been slow and unreliable since day one.
It sucks so much, I can’t download anything as simple as chrome browser without it crashing.
Lenovo sucks
Lenovo absolutely sucks everything’s plastic including the screen I have to pay 700+ to get the best Lenovo computer that doesn’t have a working keyboard and I have to plug in the charger all day never buying from Lenovo again
Not Suitable For Devs
Been given a Lenovo T490s by my employer, it fails several times a day running teams, vscode and a few docker containers. Sad times
Junk they won’t fix
Had a warranty repair but they kept sending me bogus usb that was “supposed” to have operating system on it. They sent me 3. All of which didn’t work. Then when I called for help they kept transferring me back and forth. At one point they transferred me to a local repair shop. This was all under 3 months of buying it. It’s basically unusable and they won’t fix it. Never ever will I buy Lenovo again.
Lenovo worst Lapto[
Lenovo is the worst laptop I have ever owned, was very shocked to find that this computer is made in CHINA!!!!! Really No wonder it crap
Lenovo Sucks July 2021
Lenovo has always been a piece of garbage laptop. Even their desktops are garbage. As a Systems Administrator, I have dealt with many brands and by far – not only my opinion – but facts from many companies, Lenovos are garbage.
1. uses outdated hardware that are rebranded
2. they are made so cheap since they were bought out (material and QA)
3. Their product chief doesn’t know how to even build a working machine – BSOD, under powered in hard drive, cache, memory, cpu, graphics.
4. There is a reason they got a nickname: Lenovo StinkPad
5. They are the worst to put third party programs on because the components are just thrown together and not tested.
6. Their warranty and support is NEGATVE -25 out of 5.
7. They use the cheapest labor for warranty repairs and those are just young adults who have no training or even know how to turn a handle.
8. Lenovo will rip you off any chance they can get.
Use until it breaks
I bought an Ideapad 330S less than three years ago. It broke down and the official Lenovo service is unable to find all the repair parts. The two parts they did find cost 3 times more than the original laptop. This is a “use until it breaks” machine meant to be dumped at the slightest problem.
Lenovo yogas sucks, fuck it ew. Baddies are the best
Lenovo sucks, the apps icons look so bad, app icon spacing is super dumb and not symmetrical. The front camera is disgusting. Even quad core cannot multitask 2 apps. It doesn’t even let me change fonts I hate Lenovo laptops.
Save yourself the trouble
I bought a Lenovo Yoga
It fucking sucks
I’ve had to hard reboot it about three or four times by now, the screen just occasionally breaks and either puts a purple filter over everything or just doesn’t turn on. The space bar, enter, and backspace key completely broke for a week , it constantly has connection issues with networks it was working fine with yesterday, oh and the assholes made the screen so thin it can get bent with slight pressure. I genuinely don’t think I could have bought a shittier product.
Super disappointed by Lenovo ideapad S530
This is by far the worst laptop i have ever own. I hate to say it – but i will probably have to leave this brand for a while.
1. sleep mode does not work, the harddisk is still running
2. it’s crazy but it happens with this laptop – i shut it down with full battery but only to discover the next day that it was still running internally and it drained my battery. can you image the computer is still running internally after it has been shut down?
3. most of the time i was not able to use “on/off” button or my mouse or “enter” key to wake up my computer from sleep mode, i ofter had to do a forced restart. what is the point of having a sleep mode then?
4. the sound system is super lousy, i was not able to listen clearly for many youtube clips, i had to bluetooth to an external speaker in order to watch youtubes
5. wireless card is not working, and it is a known issue (for this model) acknowledged by lenovo support center, they changed it for me for free, but it is still not working well. how this affects? you will not have wi-fi in your rooms, you have to sit literally next to your router.. how annoying!
Brick out of the box
I purchased a yoga c-940 with an Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1065G7 CPU @ 1.30GHz 1.50 GHz and 16 gigs of ram. It was not cheap. I bought it specifically for drawing because–get this–that’s how they advertised it. After receiving the machine I learned that, no matter what program or “compatible” writing utensil I use, it is impossible to make a straight line. I now know–no thanks to Lenovo, this is because they shipped their Yoga series with varying levels of quality in the screen digitizers. So, the chances that your Yoga will have full resolution for the pen across the entire surface is basically zero.
I spoke with several Lenovo reps, but ultimately ended the conversation after they asked me to pay money to continue our conversation. My favorite one said
“Lenovo only offers support for lenovo software. So, if you use any drawing program that wasn’t created by Lenovo, then we are not responsible for it.”
When I asked him where I could download the Lenovo drawing application, he said:
“Please, stop attacking me. I’m going to end this call.”
And he immediately cut the line.
Since this issue, I’ve just been trying to use the laptop as a really powerful internet machine, but it has started doing this screen flickering thing on start up. Seems to be tied to the vertical access of the mouse pad. Seriously have never spent so much money on something that is, more or less, a brick.
“16 hour” battery
Lenovo. Sucks. I bought an L13 Yoga. It totalled ~$1,500 AUD (the device itself cost ~$1.2k) after the warranty was added, and I don’t even get a good product. Waste of money.
I spent $300-400 on warranty and I don’t get anything worth my money.
To start off, Vantage is full of scareware. It reports issues that don’t even exist, it chews up resources and reports that 6 GB or RAM is in use when only 4.5 is.
Lenovo, fix your lineup.
Lenovo ” Not an Option”
Total piece of shit! “Printer constantly disconnects” When juggling through websites multiple Windows open! No choice, given to me by work! Guess that it is why my company sucks as well!